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It has been very inspiring going through all your art. July 12, , 6: For the non-instruction-reading types, we recommend beginning with a basic Text Search or Party Search. They have never been able to find physical evidence of any type of abuse or neglect because their is none but they do what they want. The idea is interesting, but the data on which the hypothesis rests is too imprecise to suggest that it is probable.

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Your ex tried to take him by lying to you about getting a restraining order.. Just tell the other person to produce the legal paperwork showing that you have no rights to help parent your son. It sounds like his legal problems are a cry for help, and especially for your attention. You have a short span of time now to when he turns eighteen to show him how much you care specifically for him… I feel his heart hurting, and needing your time and attention. Can you get someone else to take care of your other kids for a day every week while you spend time with your son who is having the problems?

I hope the best for all of you. I need help cps been messing with me for anout 8months ive done everything they have asked but I fel like im being judged bcuz im a young mother my case hasnt been closed n I fnt know what to do anymore. How about lodging your complaint with the American Bar Association? We have the right to assemble, express, and speak: Citizens have a duty to report and broadcast government atrocities such as illegal CPS operations to all other Sovereign American Citizens.

Certainly Amendment 10 what about Amendments 9 and 14; and how does one use them to redress and defeat such government agencies as CPS? Hope, please register at our message board for feedback on your case. Be very careful about fighting for your daughter because you have other children to protect. I wish I saw this site earlier. I feel so stupid and helpless. My kid got suspended from school and told the teacher that he feared coming home. He brought up an incident that happened two years ago I pushed him to the floor and yelled at him.

I have a very bad feeling about this. Dear God, I think I really screwed things up. I even let this guy interview my kid alone. Adrian, you can only start from where you are. The incident was two years ago. You can get feedback on your case at the message board here.

Civil rights couldnt do anything except moniter the cases. I suggest you register at the message board and ask the advocates there for ideas on what you can do next. It has been 17 months since my children were removed and they have nothing except suspiction on me. I am planning on doing my very best at getting the current rules, regulations as well as law reformed any and everyway I can to stop the unjustice being done not just to myself but to others. CPS has ruined my entire families lives.

Within 35 minutes, CPS took my 9 yr. I told her to get it court ordered and my mom kept calling me freaking out, she wouldnt bring my son home from school till i left. What do i do. I had a viwit with a cps worker a few days ago, i did the interveiw and a mouth swab that resulted inconclusive.

She said her boss might want me to move out for a inconclusive test, called my mom threatening foster care if i didnt leave. She had no right.

I am being investigated by cps as we speak.. I stupidly let him back into the home a week later and the police surrounded my house and rushed in to arrest him and found drugs he hid in his bookbag and also in my home. He took the blame for all the drug charges, as I do not do drugs, and CPS was called to investigate me obviously. I know I made a mistake in letting this fool into my home again, let me state that. Press charges on the kids dad 2.

I can risk losing my babies.. Heather, I would have refused the drug test. They then would have to go to court to have it ordered if they really have a good reason to request it. We are in need of good and ethical attorneys in Las Vegas, Nevada. Does anyone know someone here in Las Vegas, Nevada? Do you know of any good attorneys in Las Vegas, Nevada?

We have some media attention. Here are the links to part one and part two. As a result of her story more families are reaching out to tell of their stories. Eerily all very similar. So we are speaking out a few of us.

Here is a link of a few of us speaking out at the last Clark County Commissioners Meeting. And get it notized and file it yourself into the court. Give copy with court seal to attorney. NO attorney Appointed to you is going to help. The police are only there to protect the CPS workinh NOT you, nor to arrest you, and they can not take your child without a court order. I am seventeen yrs of age and my son was taken this tuesday i have little time to prepare evidence i just need help on really knowing what type of evidence to take please if anyone can help..

I am seventeen and my son was taken this tuesday i need help on what type of evidence to take please if anyone can help i miss my son. I feel they are opposite from help. I have agonized over the same question after false accusations, but realized these people will usually never admit to themselves that they were wrong because it would be too painful to face the truth about themselves. I need help with my case. I need to talk to someone who knows what they are doing and what they are talking about.

I havent had my kids in 10 months. Cami… maybe we can help you at the message board …?? There were about thirty or so people there. We played some horseshoes and cornhole and cooked out and just had a good family time. My 3 month old was passed around like always when with a bunch of family. When night time came we lit a bonfire and just sat around talking. Now throughout the night he did cry but it didnt seem any different.

My wife is having a breakdown. We thought maybe one of us rolled over on him but the CPS agent is saying that it is impossible to get a spiral fracture from rolling over on him. I work with most of the doctors he had seen by at the hospital. CPS is saying that it was an accident and telling us we will get our son back in a couple days but that was three weeks ago.

We have volunteered to attend parenting classes which we r currently attending. I am going to see the Naval Legal Dept tomorrow, I just wondered if anyone else had any advice.

Just have a question im fight them right now a neighbor lied on our family and they assuming things that never happend and i already know there will be a meeting do i have to sign this i want no services as I have compled my own services a year ago on my own and do not need them again and that was because I felt the need to not cause I did something. Shawn, I suggest you get a lawyer to act as go-between between you and the CPS agent as quickly as possible. Having a lawyer is the 1 means of making a CPS case go away in the early stages.

However if you refuse your caseworker may take this to court and take your child. This is why you need a lawyer NOW and not later. If CPS knows you have an aggressive lawyer already they may decide to drop the case if it is marginal. There are 2 resources that Truly help me in my case. I cannot post their numbers here but google them and you will find it. The case worker took my children away with out notifying me and I have not been able to see or talk to them for 3 weeks.

I did not know what had happend or why but these 2 agencies got through and I finally recieved a call from the case worker.

They are there to help!! I went to an organization with my husband and 11 month old son seeking services. While my sister was changing his diaper, the social worker noticed a burn on his hand. They detained us for a considerable amount of time and later it was found that they called CPS. We were there seeking help for housing, CPS has decided for us that we are living in a car with our son, please comment.

I sought treatment, was hospitalized for 2 mos. CPS was called because of a blood test. I am so heartbroken…what can I do? CPS has got involved in my life over an accident. They took,my son, I signed,my rights do to deress. I appealed my case what and go back to court in a month what shall I do? Make them prove their case… and you will have to prepare to try to prove your innocence.

I feel like I ve been railroaded, by CPS. My child was taken away from,me by CPS ,May of stating that I burned, my stepson with a iron, but he told them,that I didn t do it even, his older brother said tha, I didn,t do it.

It was investigated by a detective ,he even told, me it wasn,t intentionally, But he never showed up in court to testify on my behalf. CPS never subpeanaed him,or my lawyer. They went on my past history , that happen 15 yrs ago. I was forced to sign my rights over by my, lawyer, which he influnced, my sister, but i appealed my case b cause my lawyer , told me ,he would do everything for me to keep, my son but at court or mediation he did just the opposite.

I think the only thing that will stop these people is fire, gas bottles, and mata cocktails for them all! She has followed all the guidelines CPS required in her case where her current husband is falsely accused of indecency with a child.

He has had NO contact. But CPS took her children anyway stating that she was told not to talk to the children about the incident. No one told her anything of the sort. Now she has no way to hire an attorney and her ex-husband has three very devastated children. What can we do to get these children back? Virginia, you can get feedback on your case at http: She needs a lawyer as soon as possible… preferably a private lawyer from out of town that will fight tooth and nail to help her.

Laura, he should take a look at this site and find out how to respond to CPS agents before they get the best of him. Also a note to the wise, a parent advocate at a foster care agency in NYC had gotten whiff of info from Albany, NY in stating that the foster care agencies should try to keep as many children in foster care as they can.. A website that truly advocates for the parents!!! Everyone keep fighting for your children!!! Social services has stole my kids for the second time.

They claim that they are at risk of being abused because their dad is a sex offender. Their father and I are no longer together, I left him the first time they started on my family.

They have people who want to adopt my kids all lined up since the first case. They have made it impossible for our family to get them because they have my children and i isolated in VA while our family is in MI. Please someone help us! They have never been able to find physical evidence of any type of abuse or neglect because their is none but they do what they want. Seek counsel from your members. Surely one or two of your members must be attorneys or find attorneys with disabled children who are looking to do pro bono work.

Almost all law firms require that their members dedicate some hours to pro bono work. The kids I originally wrote about received almost no therapies or medical treatment while in care just psych meds and vaccines being pushed on them.

For example, they may be getting federal funding plus requiring parents to pay child support, plus get social security payments. CPS is the no-oversight agency that seems to be able to get away with almost anything. We have done that for our current family and got very high profile expert witnesses involved in addition to the ones recommended by their attorneys. The State looked like idiots in court — they had clearly met their match. The kids have been in foster care for 7 months none-the-less.

What can we do proactively to keep this from happening in our state again and again? I see lots of great ideas on your website for individuals to explore when their own kids have been taken, how about some ideas for large, connected organizations that would like to take this on as a project?

I am a board member of an advocacy agency for disabled kids. One of our families had their children taken in June and they still are not reunited. Can I get some direction here on what to do next? We feel comfortable going to the media, writing letters, making freedom of info requests, talking to our legislators, etc. Can I get some guidance to know how to be most effective for our families? Hi Susan, thank you for caring about the families that are being torn apart!

Second, the defendant must show that the deficient performance prejudiced the defense. See also State v. Doyle did not testify that an emergency existed when she accessed the education records.

Doyle testified that she looked at J. Such a lapse in time strongly suggests that an emergency did not exist. Doyle also did not testify that she had a subpoena for J. Davis was purposely not notified. Without parental consent, an emergency, or a subpoena, 20 U. Doyle was simply conducting an assessment of the Davis family. Furthermore, the Standing Order in effect at the time Ms. Doyle accessed the school records of Mr.

Doyle looked through J. The second time, two weeks later, Ms. Doyle accessed the school records and copied them, the assessment was still ongoing and a petition had not been filed. In fact, a petition for custody of Mr. Therefore, the sharing of information was premature according to the Standing Order in effect at the time.

When a report of abuse, neglect, or dependency is received, the director of the department of social services shall make a prompt and thorough assessment, using either a family assessment response or an investigative assessment response, in order to ascertain the facts of the case, the extent of the abuse or neglect, and the risk of harm to the juvenile, in order to determine whether protective services should be provided or the complaint filed as a petition.

In conducting the assessment, N. Doyle was conducting a family assessment following a report received from Detective Michelle Savage of the Cary Police Department in July of Doyle claimed she attempted to contact Mrs. Davis but was not successful. On the first day of school, Ms. Doyle surfaced at the school of Mr. On this occasion, personnel at Kingswood granted Ms.

Doyle access to J. Doyle did not have a subpoena, there was no testimony of an emergency, and J. Two weeks later, Ms. Doyle used to get copies of J. The release of J. Doyle had seized, the trial court cited N. The Department, after consultation with the Conference of Chief District Court Judges, shall adopt rules designating certain local agencies that are authorized to share information concerning juveniles in accordance with the provisions of this section.

Agencies so designated shall share with one another, upon request and to the extent permitted by federal law and regulations, information that is in their possession that is relevant to any assessment of a report of child abuse, neglect, or dependency….

The investigator assigned to assess the Davis family was twice given access to the school records of Mr. In a pre-trial motion in limine, Mr.

After collecting the information from the school, Ms. Doyle stated that she attempted to reach the family for several weeks and was not successful. Doyle, the following attempts were made: Doyle made contact with Mr. Doyle obtained a copy of the school file two weeks later.

On a later date, Ms. Doyle returned to Kingswood Elementary and provided the school with a copy of a North Carolina statute which, according to Ms. Doyle, allowed CPS to have access to school records. Doyle requested and was given copies of J. A month after receiving the report, Ms. Doyle met with Mr.

Motion in Limine Mr. Davis filed a Motion in Limine on September 8, in which he sought to suppress certain documents. Davis sought the suppression of 1 the Certification of Report of Birth of J. Osmond Smith who denied the motion without prejudice because it had not been filed with an affidavit. Agencies so designated shall share with one another, upon request and to the extent permitted by federal law and regulations, information that is in their possession that is relevant to any assessment of a report of child abuse, neglect, or dependency or the provision or arrangement of protective services in a child abuse, neglect, or dependency case by a local department of social services pursuant to the authority granted under Chapter 7B of the General Statutes or to any case in which a petition is filed alleging that a juvenile is abused, neglected, dependent, undisciplined, or delinquent and shall continue to do so until the protective services case is closed by the local department of social services, or if a petition is filed when the juvenile is no longer subject to the jurisdiction of juvenile court.

Any information shared among agencies pursuant to this section shall remain confidential, shall be withheld from public inspection, and shall be used only for the protection of the juvenile and others or to improve the educational opportunities of the juvenile, and shall be released in accordance with the provisions of the Family Educational and Privacy Rights Act as set forth in 20 U.

Nothing in this section or any other provision of law shall preclude any other necessary sharing of information among agencies. Nothing herein shall be deemed to require the disclosure or release of any information in the possession of a district attorney.

Federal law 42 U. That a reasonable person should have known to be illegal, and unconstitutional invasions of privacy, unlawful disclosures of private and confidently information of the Plaintff and Plaintiff family. Breach of confidence, in breach of the Plaintff and plaintiff family good faith by fraud, deceit, lies, trickery, shamming, withholding evidence, and intentionally misleading the Plaintiffs that was justifiable relied upon by the Plaintiff, and Plaintiff family in good faith.

The plaintiff asserts a legitimate claim under 42 U. Promoting Safe and Stable Families Family Preservation and Family Support Services grants focus on strengthening families, preventing abuse, and protecting children. These grants help state child welfare agencies and Indian tribes operate preventive family preservation services and community-based family support services for families at risk or in crisis. Community-based Family Resource and Support Grants fund statewide networks of local child abuse and neglect prevention and family resource programs.

Services are available to children and their families without regard to income. Publicly funded Child Welfare Services are directed toward the goal of keeping families together. Under the regulation, states are assessed for compliance with federal requirements for child protective services, foster care, adoption and family preservation and support services under titles IV-B and IV-E of the Social Security Act.

Those services cover the investigations of families where children are at-risk, placements and supervision of children in foster care, development of child permanency plans for court hearings, reunification with birth families, when safe, and adoption. State Child Welfare Reform. CPS waived their 11th amendment rights by accepting, and agreeing to the terms and conditions of obtaining federal funds.

Maira — you talk to everyone there… it is a message board. I am currentlly in case with the CPS and I would like with your help to get my grandchildren back. Hi everyone i want to remind you that cps abuse is very underdocumented and the site NCAAN national center on child abuse and neglect has actual numbers.

I live in Tacoma, wa. I have written letters prior to finding this site and have been planning to attend any meeting i can. I have a mental evaluation tomorrow and im freaking out because i can be perfect and the cps can still find something terrible to say. Tamika, please consider registering at our message board for feedback on your case.

This looks like a very helpful site, but does anyone know if there is a UK equivalent with relevant information. You might find some leads in the UK or Canada sections of our message board. Granny, those ideas are for all states. You may find the terms used in LA to be slightly different, but all states have the same types of programs. My attorney was told that all CPS needs is a poilce report.

I respond by having them investigated by my state investigation bureau. I also had someone posing as a CPS investigator show up at my house.

Anyone could show up at your door and demand to take the kids, claiming to be a CPS worker. Children have been kidnapped that way.

Hello Linda, Thanks for all you do. You are such a genius, you have paved the way for many others. I just want to say that I know I am going to get my children back sooner rather than later, but my heart breaks for my children and the children of many others who suffer today as a result of the corruption that America is facing.

Please contact me and let me know how I can help and if there is anything that you can help me with to speed the process along. I would love to go into more detail about my situation but since these comments can be read by anyone I would rather communicate with you in private.

My heart breaks everytime I think of the pain that is being caused and whats worst the fact that there is nothing that can be done about the injustice that is present, thats why I am here, for help to let me know what I can do to speed the reunification process along for me and my precious children who I love and miss so much and continue to pave the way for those who suffer.

You are so smart, so intelligent. You understand this process so thoroughly and you place your words so eloquently. I really need help, comfort among other things. Thank you for all everything you have done. Laina, please register at our message board forum: Misty — we have to learn to help ourselves because the court appointed lawyers are often quite useless.

I had a case in that I took to trial without an attorney. I have this website to thank. Here we are today. My children are at the receiving home and I am doing everything they tell me to get them back.

I can only pray that CPS will see the truth of who I am and quit punishing my children and me for….. There have to be some workers that still have some heart and hope. May God have mercy on the rest. This is some of the most useful information on your site that I have read thus far.

Also email works wonderful even if it is one sided. DCFS is back in a corner when parents come armed with this information. God Bless everyone as you continue on for these precious children. Your email address will not be published. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email. By continuing to use the site, you agree to the use of cookies. The cookie settings on this website are set to "allow cookies" to give you the best browsing experience possible.

If you continue to use this website without changing your cookie settings or you click "Accept" below then you are consenting to this. No Sweat Public Speaking. A courthouse in Alabama. Comments Can cps give my information of a dirty UA to my boyfriends probation officer without my permission.

The easy answer is that CPS is corrupt as hell. Police, Judges, CPS workers, etc. What are those never heard of them and how do I do that. Thanks for this important info Jessca sys. I might be able to help with something Rose. My GOD sounds exactly like my situation but I am a man. What county do you live in? I forgot to add notify me of new responses. Lets demonsrate, why arent people more concered? Your greatest defense would be to have a legal defense arm like the Home Schoolers.

Disclosure of Juvenile Information. Disclosure of information about juveniles. Action for neglect to prevent conspiracy. I need help with getting my kids back out of state custody please contact me. Shannon, please register at our message board forum for feedback on your case. Read before posting a comment: Long comments may be posted as articles to the site's front page. Do not use your last name if you have an open case and are concerned about your social worker finding your comment.

He was educated by Mathilde de Flandre, wife of William I King of England, but rejected the betrothal to his daughter [28]. He resigned his counties in and became a monk. He went on pilgrimage to Rome where he died [31].

The supposed betrothal to Robert of Apulia which would have to be Robert "Guiscard" Duke of Apulia is unrecorded in the numerous other sources dealing with his life and is probably pure fiction. The Vita Simonis, interpolated in the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines, records the betrothal of " comes Symon " and " filiam comitis Hildeberti de Alvernis ", specifying that Simon fled " ad monasterio de Casa Dei " without his father's knowledge before the marriage [35].

Her marriage is confirmed by an undated charter, quoted by Acta Sanctorum , under which " Rodulfus comes " donated property to Saint-Rémy, confirmed by " Symonem filium meum, duos quoque generos meos, quos de filiabus meis habeo, id est Heribertum comitem et juvenem…Bartholomeum " [37]. T he Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names " Alaydis soror sancti Symonis " as wife of " comiti Campanie Theobaldo ", although he confuses her with her supposed niece Adelais, daughter of Héribert [IV] Comte de Vermandois, saying that she married " Hugoni fratri regis Philippi " after the death of her husband [39].

If the wife of Comte Thibaut III had been another daughter of Raoul [III], it is unclear why he would have been omitted from this document which appears to indicate clearly that Raoul had only two sons-in-law.

In addition, Comte Thibaut acquired the county of Bar-sur-Aube. It is unclear from the text whether this statement is based on primary source data. Her marriage is confirmed by an undated charter, quoted by Acta Sanctorum , under which " Rodulfus comes " donated property to Saint-Rémy, confirmed by " Symonem filium meum, duos quoque generos meos, quos de filiabus meis habeo, id est Heribertum comitem et juvenem…Bartholomeum " [45].

Dame de Châteauvillain et d'Arc-en-Barrois. A charter dated records the settlement of claims by " Hugone vicecomiti Vilcasini " over " terra Sancti Petri Gisiacensi ", with the consent of " senioris sui comitis Droconis ", witnessed by " Gualerannus frater ipsius vicecomitis, Richardus de Nielfa consanguineus eius, Sanson vicecomes de Medanta…Teduinus vicecomes, Amelius frater eius…Rodulfus delicatus… " [46]. A charter dated records the settlement of claims by " Hugone vicecomiti Vilcasini " over " terra Sancti Petri Gisiacensi ", with the consent of " senioris sui comitis Droconis ", witnessed by " Gualerannus frater ipsius vicecomitis, Richardus de Nielfa consanguineus eius, Sanson vicecomes de Medanta…Teduinus vicecomes, Amelius frater eius…Rodulfus delicatus… " [47].

This family is shown by Kerrebrouck, who cites few primary sources other than as indicated below [48]. It has not yet been possible to identify the primary sources which confirm the parentage and marriages of the members of this family, unless otherwise stated below. Orderic Vitalis records that in " Hugo Crispeii comes " placed " Radulfo et Henrico filiis suis " in charge of his land, married " Ysabel filiam suam " to "Rodberto de Mellento comiti", and left on pilgrimage taking " secum nobile agmen Francorum " [50].

Seigneur de Chaumont -en-Vexin The name of Henri's wife is not known. He succeeded his father in as Seigneur de Chaumont. The name of Hugues's wife is not known. He succeeded his father in [] as Seigneur de Chaumont. He made a donation to the church of Louversey, diocese of Soissons, in [55]. The name of Philippe's wife is not known.

In he sold his land at Louversey inherited from his father and his uncle Renaud Seigneur de Louversey [56]. He was a guarantor of the sale by his brother Guy Mentioned as a minor in , cited again in [57]. Mentioned as a minor in , cited again in Seigneur de Louversey part , he was named in the donation of his brother to the church of Louversey [58].

His nephew Guy de Chaumont inherited his property at Louversey so presumably Renaud died without issue. According to Kerrebrouck [59] , he was named in Jul as witness to the treaty between Eléonore Ctss de Vermandois and Philippe II King of France but there is presumably an error in this date assuming that Ctss Eléonore did die in as shown above. He was brought up with Henri Archbishop of Reims [60]. Saint Bernard wrote his th letter to him in [62]. The primary sources which confirm the parentage and marriages of the members of this family have not been identified, unless otherwise stated below.

The other subscribers of the two charters quoted above were noblemen in the region of Paris. The name of Eudes's wife is not known. Albert of Aix names " …Walo de Calmunt… " among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid from the context [70].

The donation of property to " sancti Petro " by " Hugo vicecomes " is recorded in a charter dated , subscribed by " Adelidis uxor vicecomitis, filii eorum, Ebrardus, Hugo, Guiddo et filia Unberga " [72].

The primary source which confirms her marriage has not been identified. The Chroniques de St. Provost at Saint-Germer []. Connétable de Fra nce He founded the abbey of Gomerfontaine in [85]. He became Seigneur de Mello, de iure uxoris , and transmitted the seigneurie to their children.

Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by the undated charter under which [her father] " Nicholaus filius Orderic Vitalis names " Rodbertus Orderic Vitalis records that in King Stephen destroyed " munitionem Chitreii Maldestor " to Pontoise Saint-Martin []. It is assumed that this Osmond was a different person from Osmond who subscribed the charter of Isabelle, as the second Osmond signed last in the list of subscribers indicating junior status.

Guillaume, Thibaut et Raoul ses fils ", by charter dated 6 Dec []. The relationship between the two families is confirmed by the charter dated 6 Dec , quoted below, in which Guillaume [II] de Chaumont refers to Louis de Chaumont Seigneur de Montjavoult as his uncle. An undated charter records that " Odo Malewaegne de Kytreio " donated " terre A document dated records that " Mahi de Chaumont miles senex " appointed " Johannem Beverel militum " to represent him [].

A charter dated Nov records the settlement of a dispute between " Willelmum de Calvomonte " and Saint-Wandrille []. Seigneur de Chaumont et de Guitry.

The county of Vermandois was formed by Héribert, a descendant of the early Carolingian kings of Italy whose direct ancestors had established themselves as counts in the area north of Paris.

Héribert acquired Vermandois and Saint-Quentin in , followed by Soissons in []. His son count Héribert [II] acquired control over the archbishopric of Reims by engineering the appointment of his infant son as archbishop in The rivalry between the counts of Vermandois and the counts of Flanders was triggered in by the murder of the brother of Baudouin II Count of Flanders by the forces of count Héribert [I] and persisted throughout the first half of the 10th century.

The two power-bases appear to have been fairly evenly balanced, the result being that neither was able to dominate the whole of northern France. Another factor which must have rendered domination by either side more difficult was that the territory of the bishopric of Cambrai, directly north of Vermandois and south of Flanders, had been allocated to Lotharingia under the treaty of Verdun, while the rest of northern France fell within the kingdom of the West Franks.

Cambrai therefore represented a political barrier to either side extending control into the eastern part of the other's territory. Both the Flanders and Vermandois families lost political power during the midth century. The territory of the Vermandois family was partitioned after the death of count Héribert [II] in to provide appanages for his three sons, none of whom appears to have inherited their father's energy, and in the following century most of it passed by inheritance into the domaine royale of the Capetian kings.

Regino names in order " Bernardum, Pippinum et Heribertum " as the three children of " Pippinum ", specifying that Héribert killed " Rodulfum comitem filium Balduini comitis " []. Abbé de St Crépin. He became Comte de Vermandois in The Annales Vedastini record that " Rodulfus comes " disrupted the peace in and took the property of " Heribertus et Erkingerus ", that " Odo rex " besieged " castrum sancti Quintini et Peronam " and expelled Raoul's supporters, and that Héribert killed Raoul [].

Comte Héribert opposed Eudes King of France, but was reconciled with the king in , an event which may have been confirmed by the marriage of Héribert's daughter to the king's nephew Robert []. Baudouin II Count of Flanders attacked Vermandois, was driven out by but reconquered it and killed Héribert [I] Comte de Vermandois in revenge for his brother's death []. The name of the wife of Comte Héribert is not known.

However, a "Comtesse Liedgardis", different from the daughter of Comte Héribert [II], is named who could have been his wife []. If this is correct, the necrology of Reims which records the death " VI Kal Jun " of " Letgardis comitissa " [] , may refer to the same person []. According to the Histoire de Guise , Albert Comte de Vermandois constructed the abbey of Saint-Michel at Rochefort in " d'accord avec la comtesse Hérésinde sa femme ", while in Hérésinde founded the nearby Benedictine convent of Bucilly [].

The source assumes that this refers to Albert Comte de Vermandois, but his supposed marriage to Hérésinde is not mentioned by Settipani []. According to the introduction to the Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Bucilly , Bucilly was founded by " Gerberge, femme d'Albert I Comte de Vermandois " although it notes that " certains auteurs ont voulu faire remonter [sa fondation] à la libéralité de Hersinde femme d'Herbert Comte de Vermandois morte en " [].

No other reference has been found to Hérésinde being the wife of Comte Héribert [I]. None of the sources so far consulted states explicitly that Heribert [II] and his sister Beatrix were the children of Heribert [I] but this looks probable. None of the sources so far consulted state explicitly that Heribert [II] and his sister Beatrix were the children of Heribert [I] but this looks probable.

Her birth date range is estimated from her eldest daughter giving birth to her own first child in []. The marriage may have been arranged to confirm her father's reconciliation with Eudes King of France, who was her husband's uncle [].

Werner suggests [] as the date of the marriage, on the assumption that it followed the political reconciliation between Béatrix's father and Robert's uncle []. Comte de Paris Jackman suggests [] that the wife of Graf Gebhard [Konradiner] was the daughter of Héribert [I] Comte de Vermandois, although this appears supported only by onomastic indications. The name of Graf Gebhard's wife is not given explicitly in the sources. The Vermandois origin of Graf Udo's wife is suggested by the fact that Flodoard refers to the wife of " Uddone [frater Hermanno] " as amita of " Hugo [de Vermandois Archbishop of Reims]" [].

The name of Graf Udo's wife is not given explicitly in the sources. Her birth date range is estimated from her estimated marriage date. None of the sources so far consulted state explicitly that Héribert [II] and his sister Beatrix were the children of Héribert [I] but this looks probable.

Héribert consolidated his power by arranging for his young son to be made Archbishop of Reims. Following this he apparently forged an alliance with Comte Rollo in [] [] , leaving his son Eudes with Rollo as a hostage. Comte Héribert unsuccessfully attempted to capture Laon in [].

Together with Hugues "le Grand" [Capet], Héribert besieged Reims, forcing the restoration of his son as archbishop, and also besieged King Louis at Laon. Flodoard records the death of " Heribertus comes " in and his burial at Saint-Quentin []. On his death in , his territories were divided between his sons by their maternal uncle Hugues "le Grand". The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to " comitis Heriberti gener…Roberti " and in a later passage to the sister of " dux Hugo Cappatus " as the wife of " comitis Heriberti de Peroni, Campanie et Veromandie " but does not name her [].

Her origin is confirmed by Flodoard naming " Hugo dux cum nepotibus suis, Heriberti filiis " in []. Her birth date is estimated from the birth of her first child in []. Her name is deduced as follows.

The 21 May donation of Rebais abbey to the church of Paris refers to " comitis Rotberti et Adele comitisse " []. Although this phrasing usually indicates husband and wife, Settipani suggests that the chronology of the life of King Robert's son Hugues attested as Robert's son by his second wife Béatrix favours his birth, and therefore his father's second marriage, well before , which would mean " Adele " could not have been Robert's wife. This reasoning appears based firstly on Hugues already being married in [], and secondly on the probability of his having reached the age of majority when he was recognised as duke in The document is explained as referring to Robert and his elder daughter.

The issue, however, is not beyond doubt, especially if the document in question was misdated. Her marriage date assumes that this identification is correct. ODO [Eudes] []-after 19 Jun His father left him in [] as a hostage with Rollo Comte [de Normandie]. Unlike his father, he swore allegiance to Louis IV "d'Outremer" King of the Franks in and received the guardianship of the royal residence at Laon.

He occupied the town and county of Amiens, but was expelled in []. The Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis names " Adelam, domni Heriberti comitis filiam " as wife of " comes Arnulfus ", specifying that she was " duorum Francorum regum, Odonis atque Rotberti, neptem " []. Flodoard refers to the wife of " Arnoul " as sister of " Hugo [de Vermandois Archbishop of Reims] " []. Her marriage was arranged to seal the alliance made in between her father and her future husband [].

The Annales Blandinienses record the death in of " Adala comitissa " []. Flodoard names " Heriberti Adalberti fratris " when recording his marriage, and in a later passage " nepotes Hugonis, Heribertus et Rotbertus " []. The former appears more consistent with Héribert's participation in his father's war from If the latter is correct, comte Héribert would have been more than 20 years younger than his wife, which seems unlikely.

There appears to be no basis for deciding between one or the other. He is documented with his father between and in the latter's war against King Louis IV, submitting to the king with his father in Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in , Héribert became Comte d'Omois and received the fortress of Château-Thierry as well as the abbey of Saint-Médard, Soissons.

King Lothaire appointed him comte du palais comte palatin. He succeeded his brother Robert in as Comte de Meaux et de Troyes. A letter of Gerbert dated records that " Heriberti Trecassini et Oddonis comitis filii Tedbaldi " were enemies of " Adelbero Remonis archiepiscopus " []. However, a letter dated to Apr names " Ottonis et Heriberti ", while a letter dated to mid records that " Ottonem, Heribertum " made peace with the archbishop []. However, it is suggested that only the first letter applies to Héribert [III], the change to Héribert [V] nephew and successor of Héribert [III], son of the latter's brother Robert being indicated in the subsequent letters by " Heribertum " being named after " Ottonem " instead of before, which suggests that he was the junior of the two from Apr Flodoard names " Hugone diacono Heriberti filio ", when recording his installation as archbishop of Reims in [].

His father engineered the grant by Raoul King of France of the temporal administration of the archbishopric of Reims to Hugues in The Annales Remenses record in that, after the death of " Seulfo archipresule ", " Hugo filius Heriberti comitis, adhuc quinquennis " was elected []. T he appointment was confirmed by Pope John X, but the grant was withdrawn by the king in after he besieged the city []. Hugues entered holy orders in Hugues was expelled from Reims in when the town was retaken by King Louis.

He was finally deprived of his archbishopric by the papal legate in He died on returning from a pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela []. Rodulfus Glauber refers to the wife of Comte Guillaume as " sororem [Heribertum Trecorum comitem] ", specifying that she was childless by her first husband, when recording her second marriage to " Tetbaldus " [].

Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in , Robert became Comte de Meaux. He became Comte de Troyes in on the death of his father-in-law, by right of his wife. Flodoard names " Adalbertus filius Heriberti " []. Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in , Albert became Comte de Vermandois.

Dormay, in his Histoire de la ville de Soissons , records that " M. He visited Rome in the mids: Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in , he became Comte de Vermandois. When his brother Hugues was deposed as archbishop of Reims in , Comte Albert gave up the family's struggle with Louis IV "d'Outremer" King of France and swore allegiance to the king. He opposed the election of Hugues Capet as king of France, but eventually submitted [].

A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists in order " Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes, Walerannus laicus, Gisla… ", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew []. According to the Histoire de Guise , Comte Albert constructed the abbey of Saint-Michel at Rochefort in " d'accord avec la comtesse Hérésinde sa femme ", while in Hérésinde founded the nearby Benedictine convent of Bucilly [].

The source assumes that this refers to Albert Comte de Vermandois, but his supposed first marriage is not mentioned by Settipani []. According to the introduction to the Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Bucilly , Bucilly was founded by " Gerberge, femme d'Albert I Comte de Vermandois " although it notes that " certains auteurs ont voulu faire remonter [sa foundation] à la libéralité de Hersinde femme d'Herbert Comte de Vermandois morte en " [].

The Cartulaire reproduces a French translation of a declaration by Barthélemy Bishop of Laon dated entitled " Privilegium de domino Elberto, Viromandensi comite " according to which the bishop declares that he has read the original charter under which " Elbert comte de Vermandois…et sa femme Gertrude [error for Gerberge] " founded Bucilly [].

Further research in the original charter documentation is needed to clarify this confusion, not the least of which is that, even if Hérésinde was not the wife of Comte Albert, no other reference has been found to her being the wife of Comte Héribert [I] see above. Settipani names her as the wife of Comte Albert, and gives her parentage, but does not cite the primary source on which this is based. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage more precisely has not been identified.

A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists in order " Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes… ", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew [].

Héribert [IV] succeeded his father in as Comte de Vermandois. He suggests that Comte Renaud would only have done this if he were the son of Ermengardis, although other explanations must be possible.

Settipani points out [] that Ermengardis is named as the wife of Héribert [IV] in a document of her father-in-law Albert [I] Comte de Vermandois, relating to the abbey of Homblières, dated some time between and the death of Comte Albert in If the two marriages apply to the same Ermengardis, Comte Héribert must have been her first husband and Comte Milon her second. However, it is not clear that this suggested co-identity is correct, a simpler explanation being that there were two different individuals named Ermengardis.

Ernest Petit also suggests [] that Ermengardis wife of Comte Milon was heiress of Bar-sur-Seine, in order to explain how her granddaughter by Comte Milon, Eustachie, transmitted this county to her husband Gauthier de Brienne. He identified the father of Ermengardis as " Renaud Comte de Bar-sur-Seine " based on two charters, which he dated to and , which name " Rainardus comes " whom he identifies with Rainard, son of miles Raoul de Bar, who is mentioned in the Chronicle of St Bénigne [].

There appears to be no other evidence of the existence of this person, and Bouchard [] points out that the dating of the two charters in question is uncertain.

She suggests that it is more likely that " Rainardus " is identified with Renaud Comte de Sens or with " Rainaldus " son of Ermengardis. This of course leaves open the question how Bar-sur-Seine was transmitted to the Tonnerre family. He succeeded his father in [] as Comte de Vermandois.

He abdicated before 15 Jul []. He succeeded in [] as Comte de Vermandois. There appears to be no direct proof that Otto, ancestor of the Comtes de Chiny, was the same person as Otto, son of Adalbert Comte de Vermandois. The Historia Monasterii Mosomense records that " Ottonem comitem " built " castellum…Warcus " Warcq, Ardennes in , and suggests his affiliation when, in a later passage, it clarifies that " superius dictus Ottho erat comes, Otthonum…Romanorum imperatorum…germanissima progenies " [].

A subsequent passage of the Historia dates the foundation of the monastery to 24 Jul [] , implying that the events recorded earlier in the text predated this foundation. If this is correct, seems early for Otto de Vermandois to have constructed Warcq in light of his estimated birth date which appears reasonably robust. Gerbert, in a letter dated to Oct , records that " dux Cono pro suo Ottone insidias molitur " []. In the same letter, he also records that " Laudunensis episcopus " left " Dordingum " Dourdon?

Settipani suggests that "Otto" in this text refers to the holder of Warcq []. It is unclear from the full text of this letter whether " Ottone " and " Ottonis " relate to the same person.

If this is correct, it is possible that the first " Ottone " is a different person from the second " Ottonis " as there is no other passage which links the Blois count to the Swabian duke. Settipani states that Otto died " between and ", without specifying the basis for this speculation [].

He was appointed Bishop of Noyon , consecrated No other reference has been found to this couple. He succeeded his father in as Comte de Vermandois. He succeeded as Comte de Valois in , by right of his wife. Her marriage is confirmed by an undated charter, quoted by Acta Sanctorum , under which " Rodulfus comes " donated property to Saint-Rémy, confirmed by " Symonem filium meum, duos quoque generos meos, quos de filiabus meis habeo, id est Heribertum comitem et juvenem…Bartholomeum " [].

He was disinherited by his father. On the basis of this genealogy, the senior branch of the family of Rouvroy adopted the name "Saint-Simon de Vermandois". She succeeded her father in [] as Ctss de Vermandois , de Valois et de Crépy. Comte de Vermandois et de Valois by right of his wife. Leader of the French contingent in the First Crusade Aug returning to France after the victory of Antioch to raise another army.

He set out again Mar but died from wounds received fighting the Greeks at Tarsus in Cilicia. He took the title Comte after his marriage []. He succeeded as Comte de Vermandois et de Valois, by right of his wife. Orderic Vitalis records that in " Hugo Crispeii comes " placed " Radulfo et Henrico filiis suis " in charge of his land, married " Ysabel filiam suam " to "Rodberto de Mellento comiti", and left on pilgrimage taking " secum nobile agmen Francorum " [].

The Alexeiad names " a certain Hugh, brother of the king of France " when recording that he " sent an absurd message to the emperor proposing that he should be given a magnificent reception " after arriving in Constantinople []. He was shipwrecked off Durazzo, but accompanied to Constantinople by the Byzantine admiral Manuel Butumites [].

Albert of Aix records that " Hugo, Drogo, Willelmus Carpentarius et Clareboldus " joined the army of Godefroi de Bouillon after their release from captivity in Constantinople, dated to end []. He took part in the siege of Antioch in He was sent on a mission to Emperor Alexios I, but was surprised in a Turkish ambush near Nikaia but escaped with his life [].

He returned to France after the capture of Antioch in to raise another army which he led as part of the second wave of the First Crusade, leaving France in Mar Robert of Torigny records the death in of " Hugo Magnus apud Tarsum " [].

He died from wounds received fighting the Turks near Tarsus in Asia Minor []. Her husband left her as regent in Vermandois when he left on crusade. She married secondly as his first wife, Renaud de Clermont. T he Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the proposed marriage of " Robertus comes Mellentinus " and the daughter of " Hugonis Crispeiensis comes " which was prohibited by " Yvo [episcopus] " on grounds of consanguinity, the mutual descent of the two parties from " Gauterus Albus de Albamarla " being set out in the chronicle although the name of the daughter is not given [].

It is not known to which daughter this refers, but it may be Mathilde. As noted above, her sister Mathilde is referred to in another source as " primogenita ". He was elected Bishop of Noyon in Jul The primary source which confirms his parentage has not been identified.

Robert of Torigny records that " Rodulfus filius eius " succeeded in on the death of " Hugo Magnus " []. He succeeded his father in as Comte de Vermandois , and his mother in He lost an eye at the siege of the château of Livry in early His repudiation of his first wife triggered war with Champagne and excommunication by the Pope, although the divorce was finally accepted by the church in Robert of Torigny records the death in of " Radulfus de Perrona comes Viromandorum ", specifying that he appointed " Galeranni comitis Mellenti nepotis sui " as guardian of his infant children [].

Kerrebrouck names Eleonore, daughter of Comte Etienne, as the first wife of Raoul Comte de Vermandois [] but the primary source on which this is based has not been identified. After her repudiation she found refuge with her brother Thibaut IV Comte de Champagne who declared war on her husband and appealed to Pope Innocent II who excommunicated him. T he Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines specifies that " Alienor Guilielmi filia comits Pictavorum et Aquitanie ducis " had two sisters one of whom married " Radulfus…comes Perone et Veromandie ", although he does not name either of them [].

Robert of Torigny refers to the mother of the infant children of " Radulfus de Perrona comes Viromandorum " as " iuniore filia Willelmi ducis Aquitanorum " but he does not name her either []. The Chronique de Guillaume de Nangis names " Eléonore et Pétronille " as the two daughters of " Guillaume comte de Poitou et prince d'Aquitaine ", recording in that Pétronille married " Raoul comte de Vermandois " after he repudiated his first wife [].

The Flandria Generosa names " Laurentiam " as the only daughter of " comitissa etiam Suanildis ", specifying that her marriage with " dux de Lemburg " was terminated on grounds of consanguinity, that she subsequently married " Iwanus de Alst ", and after the latter's death " Rodulfo comiti Peronensi " and " comiti de Namur ", although this switches her first and second husbands [].

She succeeded her brother in [] as Ctss de Vermandois et de Valois on his resignation of the county due to illness []. Ralph de Diceto records that " Philippus comes Flandrensis " killed " Walterum de Fontibus…II Id Aug ", in from the context, " so it is said " for having committed adultery with " Isabella comitissa " [].

He succeeded in [] as Comte de Vermandois , by right of his wife. On the death of his wife, Count Philippe refused to relinquish the counties of Vermandois and Valois to her successor, which triggered war with France, settled by the transfer of the territories under the Treaty of Boves in Jul , ratified at Amiens 20 Mar , although Count Philippe was permitted to retain the title Comte de Vermandois for life [].

He succeeded his father in as Comte de Vermandois et de Valois. He caught leprosy in [] and was obliged to resign his county to his sister and her husband, although he continued to bear the title []. She separated from her husband due to his illness []. The Chronicon Hanoniense names " Aenoram Radulphi comitis Viromandie filiam " as wife of " Godefridum [filium Alidis comitissa Hanonensis…cum viro Balduino comite] ", and in a later passage refers to her subsequent marriages to " Willelmo comiti Nivernensi…[et] Matheo comiti Boloniensi…[et] comiti Bellimontis in Francia Matheo " [].

She claimed the succession to Vermandois on the death of her sister in Following the death of her brother-in-law Philippe Count of Flanders, a final settlement was agreed with the king who was to inherit all her territories if she died without issue and from she succeeded as Ctss de Vermandois [].

In accordance with the agreement of , the king of France inherited all her titles and properties on her death. Beaumetz-lès-Cambrai is located about 15 kilometres east of Cambrai, in the present-day French département of Pas de Calais.

The seigneurs de Beaumetz were châtelains de Bapaume which lies about 15 kilometres west of Beaumetz, arrondissement of Arras. Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated Jan under which her son " Sigerus dominus de Bellomanso " sold property to Arras naming " mater mea Mathildis…et Balduinus filius meus major natu…et Rogerus frater meus " [].

His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated Jan under which his father " Sigerus dominus de Bellomanso " sold property to Arras naming " mater mea Mathildis…et Balduinus filius meus major natu…et Rogerus frater meus " []. His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated Jan under which his brother " Sigerus dominus de Bellomanso " sold property to Arras naming " mater mea Mathildis…et Balduinus filius meus major natu…et Rogerus frater meus " []. Archbishop of Reims He gave consent to the marriage contract of his granddaughter Roberte dated 14 Dec , quoted below.

The description of the right-hand part is consistent with the Beaumetz shield described from other family seals inventoried in the same source. It is difficult to draw definite conclusions from this range of information. Isabelle gave consent to the marriage contract of her granddaughter Roberte dated 14 Dec , quoted below. He is named as deceased in the marriage contract of his daughter Roberte dated 14 Dec , quoted below. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified.

This couple corresponds to the correct timeframe as parents of Ide. Ide was party to the marriage contract of her daughter Roberte dated 14 Dec , quoted below.

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